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Good job guys at CPP - keep up the good work

Now to muddy the thread
"Good show and my hats off to the only vendor who has enough balls to post there dyno results."
Scott - I build 20 to 30 engines a year here at MTS is Cal. Of those 20 would have stock intakes, #5 cam and 8.5 to 1 compression.
The other 10 would have more cam and more options. NONE are one off racing engines. NONE are dyno'd
This is how the bills get paid. If we only built one off engines there would be no MTS

The engines we are currently putting together in Ohio will get dyno'd and the results posted here. There have been several delays of which JW's health issues have been the biggest. He is going under the knife AGAIN by the end of the month
Marty
 

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MTS Marty AKA Nashillac said:
Scott - I build 20 to 30 engines a year here at MTS is Cal. Of those 20 would have stock intakes, #5 cam and 8.5 to 1 compression.

Marty I would love to see what that engine does on the dyno though. Currently the only thing close to that is on CadCo's pages and it is just peak numbers.



Matt,
That's a wild engine, 503HP and 653 lb-ft at 4000 RPM.

And it held 790+HP from 5960 to 6700RPM  :yikes:
 

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Marty I was only saying potter lays their builds on the line and for that they catch some criticism, and people pointing out what they could have made or should have made for power. I say they they have balls for ALWAYS dynoing their results and posting them for all of us to see(good or bad). This alone wins my respect for potter and when it comes time for me to do some upgrading I know where I'm calling. I cant wait to see your dyno results we heard about in June, lets see what they got maybe I'll change my mind on where I buy my next Parts.
 
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I really commend Jerry for trying to make more and more HP from our loved Cadillac big block series of engines. It does promote the engines and open peoples eyes to the possibilities. It is an area of developement that si important
While MTS does have similar projects in the works the mainstream parts are for everyday or most everyday cars.
A wise man once told me "market to the masses and eat with the classes"
That's why many of the parts we develope are manufactured so needed parts are either more affordable or even obtainable. Like dipstick tubes and oil pump drives. Not sexy but needed to help bring this engine into the modern world
 

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Thanks to all for the good comments our the "Hot Rod" Magazine article. We are planning a follow up but don't have the details worked out yet. We will continue on and I will let everyone know when we get closer.
 

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I know it has been a while since we have put any new information up, and I know there is some people that are still curious as to what we have been up to. So here is the low down. We have put a lot of R&D work on the new heads and cam technology. In our last year we have used a lot of resources to get our new parts dialed in. I will give you some information and get you all the dirty details on Monday. We have a certain engine that has been volunteered to us for a lot of our R&D work. I will let you know that it is 504 ci and that it is officially the second N\A single 4 barrel Cadillac to break 800 hp on our dyno. Bore size and a stock cam journal prevented us from optimizing the cylinder heads but it is a very powerful engine. Especially with the 747 ft lbs it produced.

On another note we are considering EMC challenge for 2011. With the release of the extreme engine class, new to this year, we are leaning toward a build for this year. Hope to keep you informed on what we are doing.

Sincerely,
Matt @ Cadillac Performance Parts
 

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Yes I have several times. Is there any specific rules that you are referring to? I know there are some rules that are quite loose. lol
 

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loose as the rules may be a cadillac does not stand a snowballs chance in hell given the rules for that class.

You will notice they are allowing purpose built heads ,that alone in combination with not being able to make the engine both smaller in cubes and shorter.

will take 2 hp per cube to be top 20 and probably a lil short of 2.2 per cube to be in the hunt.

I am not saying you cant be competitive and wont do well questioning yours or jerrys abilities and or send a few home scratching their heads but they pulled the cork out of what can be done and this isnt the contest to try and show what a cadillac can do.
 

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We are aware of the unrestricted head rules and the fact that an engine will have to be in the 2+ efficiency range just to be competitive. We have a few tricks up our sleeve that we have been working on for about two years now. We have anxiously been waiting for an opportunity like this one. If we get to go and don't win. I assure you there will be some head turning when we fire our engine off. There are a couple rules that obviously give the Cadillac an advantage. Unlimited on cam(big plus), unlimited on bore and stroke combination(big plus), unlimited on N\A induction(no billet heads), and no billet blocks. The restrictions on this year are pretty simple: 22 square inches of throttle bore (1200ish cfm single four barrel), all engines must retain factory bore spacing, and still based on efficiency. So massive cubic inches will be a major disadvantage, as usual. I think this makes the Cadillac a good candidate for EMC 2011.

http://www.popularhotrodding.com/engine ... index.html

Cadillacs R Us said:
Use a de-stroked 472 with the high intake port heads for the EMC :reading: Opps, sorry, I didn't read the rules lol

Ron

Just in case you were looking for them lol.
 

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Matt,

Now don't take this the wrong way.

I wish you guys lots of luck for wanting to try to enter this contest, but I'll have to side with JW on this one.

There will be $100,000 engines running in this. My guess is at least 2.5 HP per cube and more than likely up around 2.7 HP per cube

to win the event. You will get some attention, but will it be worth the cost and effort?

The honest answer is NO Spend the money on making more parts or creating something that the average person can use and afford.

If CPP was rolling in the cash I'd say go for it, but their just like everyone else in tough times the last few years.

My money is on Kasse to win again, but it's going to be the best Shootout ever to read about.

I'd guess a 9.200" to 9.500" deck height Prostock block will be used by several competitors as a base.

It's going to be a Mega Money party for sure.

Tom
 

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2.3 at peak will be enough to win it, Tom...maybe even less. Case in point: A current "front row" Cup engine makes right around 900 hp at 8300 RPM when the NASCAR-mandated 1.688" throttle bore 4brl carb is replaced with a 1250 Dominator style carb. That's only a tick over 2.5 hp per cube. Currently, the best single 4brl Comp/Eliminator stuff is a little stronger, but at substantially higher RPM. Granted, oxygenated fuel (this year's event will be contested on VP Q-16) would raise that some...but not as much as the contest's max RPM limit of 7500 (along with the need for the engine not to be a total pooch from 3500 - 5500) would hurt it.

Given this year's rules, I believe that 2.15 to 2.2 is possible with a Caddy. It might not happen due to current economic realities, but the core technology and pieces exist.
 

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Sorry to all. I know I promised you dyno sheets. Unfortunately, due to inclement weather, I was unable to get to the shop and get them in the scanner. I will make sure and get them posted as soon as possible.
 

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As one who was present at the test and has seen the aforementioned dyno sheets, I can tell everyone interested in high performance Cadillac engines that they are definitely worth the wait.




Edit: Sorry for the misspell guys, I was in too much of a hurry.
 

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We just got news on our new first new part for this year. We don't have them in hand but I have them on the way. We are now offering a 5 key way timing chain. This is an item that has been brought up before and will hopefully eliminate the slotting an pinning method used in the past. I will post up some pics when I get them in hand.
 
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